Monday, August 28, 2006

Wrestling with Katherine Harris

Many many moons ago, December 22 to be exact, Matthew Kay Rockel posted a link to Ultimate Christian Wrestling. Intrigued, I perused the site fervently stumbling upon this very interesting site. This "very interesting site" is at the crux of this post (at least it comprises one-third of the crux of this post). It's about the history of America. Specifically, the history of The Bible in America. It's a page about how Christianity was a major influence in the founding of America and even played a serious role in the drafting of both The Declaration of Independence and The Constitution. It provides such intersting quotes as:

"Consider these words by John Adams, our second president, who also served as chairman of the American Bible Society. In an address to military leaders he said, 'We have no government armed with the power capable of contending with human passions, unbridled by morality and true religion. Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.'"

"Consider these words from George Washington, the Father of our Nation, in his farewell speech on September 19, 1796: 'It is impossible to govern the world without God and the Bible. Of all the dispositions and habits that lead to political prosperity, our religion and morality are the indispensable supporters. Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that our national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.'"

"Bible reading was now unconstitutional , though the Bible was quoted 94 percent of the time by those who wrote our constitution and shaped our Nation and its system of education and justice and government."

So, as you can probably guess, it digresses into a diatribe about how Christianity is under attack in this modern, ultra-liberal America which we find ourselves. When I read this -- many many moons ago -- it weighed heavily on me and I found it quite interesting and even wondered if it was true that so many of these founding fathers were so devout as this page unsupportively claims.

That was until today. When I found this extremely interesting page. Not only does it stand in brazen oppossition to the Forsaken Roots article, but it even sites sources. The website makes such claims:

"George Washington, the first president of the United States, never declared himself a Christian according to contemporary reports or in any of his voluminous correspondence....On his deathbed, Washinton uttered no words of a religious nature and did not call for a clergyman to be in attendance."

"It was during [John] Adam's administration that the Senate ratified the Treaty of Peace and Friendship, which states in Article XI that 'the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion.'"

Now, let's make this a little more current. Today, I read this interview with Katherine Harris in which she offers unto us ignorant lay-people her absolutely ingenious interpretation of the constitution:

"...salt and light means not just in the church and not just as a teacher or as a pastor or a banker or a lawyer, but in government and we have to have elected officials in government and we have to have the faithful in government and over time, that lie we have been told, the separation of church and state, people have internalized, thinking that they needed to avoid politics and that is so wrong because God is the one who chooses our rulers."

Now, I've never heard of Katherine Harris before today, but from what my lady-friend tells me, she had alot to do with some disenfrachisment in Florida back in 2000. She also voted 100% of the time in line with the Christian Coalition.

So, query:

Is the separation of church and state a lie? Regardless, is the religious affiliation of our founding fathers, either individually or as a whole (i.e. mostly Christian, mostly Deist, mostly atheistic), relevant in determining the validity of the constitutitionality of the separation of church and state? How so and why or why not?

3 comments:

Seven Star Hand said...

Hey Cobra,

RE:"Is the separation of church and state a lie?"

The real question should be; Is religion the truth?

Hope this is not too off-topic for you. It gets to the root of the problem of deluded and greedy politicians who seek to impose their own ignorance on millions of others. Because of our reliance on money, politics, and religion, we are teetering on the verge of worldwide disaster. Idiots like Ms. Harris couldn't care less about everyone else as long as they get their hands on wealth and power, even if it means pretending to serve the Creator. It is long past time that people stand up for truth and justice and give these scoundrels their due.

Understanding the Fatal Flaws in Judeo-Christian-Islamic Prophecy

I pose to you and others that the context and meaning of these ancient texts have been lost on those confused by the assertions of religious leaders and founders. Ancient wisdom has been purposely recast and obfuscated into religion and mysticism. Consequently, the interpretations presented about the sources and meaning of these texts and the philosophy and cosmology of ancient Hebrew sages is completely wrong. Before you scoff and write me off, you should understand that I speak from personal knowledge and experience...

Remember the saying that "the truth will set you (and others) free?" How does "opening one's eyes to the truth" relate to "making the blind see again" or "shining the light" or "illuminating a subject?" Notice the inherent symbolism associated with this supposed New Testament "miracle?"

Did you ever consider that Christianity is the False Prophet symbolized in the Apocalypse, that Rome (Vatican/Papacy) is the so-called anti-messiah, and Jesus Christ is the false messiah? I have produced stunning and comprehensive proof that this is the true interpretation of pivotal prophecies long confounded by Christianity's founders and leaders. Recasting the symbolism of earlier Hebrew texts as literal events in the New Testament is one of the central deceptions associated with Christianity.

As certain world leaders strive to instigate a fabricated "battle of Armageddon," it is vital to understand and spread the truth about these ancient texts to help bring about an end to such abominable evil. You can never expect philosophies based on lies and great error to lead to peace and harmony. How many more millennia of terrible proof is necessary before humanity finally gets a clue that most have been utterly deceived by the very concept of religion.

Without it, Bush, the Neo-Cons, and their cohorts could never have gained and retained political power by manipulating an already deluded and susceptible constituency. Likewise, their thinly-veiled partners in crime, Bin Laden and his ilk, could never have succeeded in their roles in this centuries-old Vatican-led grand deception.

Have you ever heard of Machiavelli? What better way to hide the truth than to divide people among three related but divergent religions (or other strong delusions) that each obscure the truth while claiming that each is the truth!

Want to see the symbol for the tri-part endless loop and logic-trap that such a three-part Machiavellian delusion forms? Ever seen a Triquetra ( and here)? Pay very close attention to its visual relationship to 666, the most famous of all triangular numbers.

Now consider how money, religion, and politics are inseparable because of the inescapable trap (bottomless pit) they form...

We are all trapped in a web of deception woven with money, religion, and politics. The great evils that bedevil us all will never cease until humanity finally awakens, shakes off these strong delusions, and forges a new path to the future.

Here is Wisdom...

Peace...

Rockel said...

SCREW YOU, COBRA! MY MIDDLE NAME IS "MICHELLE"!!!

Anonymous said...

I just found the forsaken roots blog last night and thought it was excellent. You need to go to DC and read what is written in stone to know what our forefathers thought and know what their convictions were. I'm appalled at the death of civility as evidenced by the previous post. For the life of me I can't see anything wrong with the ten commandments even for a "Law abiding" athiest. What's wrong with teaching children that " though shalt not kill, steal lie, covet etc.? Do you want the freedom to do all those things? If so then you are an anarchist and I don't even want to be on the same planet with you. You are definatly not the hope for a better america.