Many many moons ago, December 22 to be exact, Matthew Kay Rockel posted a link to Ultimate Christian Wrestling. Intrigued, I perused the site fervently stumbling upon this very interesting site. This "very interesting site" is at the crux of this post (at least it comprises one-third of the crux of this post). It's about the history of America. Specifically, the history of The Bible in America. It's a page about how Christianity was a major influence in the founding of America and even played a serious role in the drafting of both The Declaration of Independence and The Constitution. It provides such intersting quotes as:
"Consider these words by John Adams, our second president, who also served as chairman of the American Bible Society. In an address to military leaders he said, 'We have no government armed with the power capable of contending with human passions, unbridled by morality and true religion. Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.'"
"Consider these words from George Washington, the Father of our Nation, in his farewell speech on September 19, 1796: 'It is impossible to govern the world without God and the Bible. Of all the dispositions and habits that lead to political prosperity, our religion and morality are the indispensable supporters. Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that our national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.'"
"Bible reading was now unconstitutional , though the Bible was quoted 94 percent of the time by those who wrote our constitution and shaped our Nation and its system of education and justice and government."
So, as you can probably guess, it digresses into a diatribe about how Christianity is under attack in this modern, ultra-liberal America which we find ourselves. When I read this -- many many moons ago -- it weighed heavily on me and I found it quite interesting and even wondered if it was true that so many of these founding fathers were so devout as this page unsupportively claims.
That was until today. When I found this extremely interesting page. Not only does it stand in brazen oppossition to the Forsaken Roots article, but it even sites sources. The website makes such claims:
"George Washington, the first president of the United States, never declared himself a Christian according to contemporary reports or in any of his voluminous correspondence....On his deathbed, Washinton uttered no words of a religious nature and did not call for a clergyman to be in attendance."
"It was during [John] Adam's administration that the Senate ratified the Treaty of Peace and Friendship, which states in Article XI that 'the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion.'"
Now, let's make this a little more current. Today, I read this interview with Katherine Harris in which she offers unto us ignorant lay-people her absolutely ingenious interpretation of the constitution:
"...salt and light means not just in the church and not just as a teacher or as a pastor or a banker or a lawyer, but in government and we have to have elected officials in government and we have to have the faithful in government and over time, that lie we have been told, the separation of church and state, people have internalized, thinking that they needed to avoid politics and that is so wrong because God is the one who chooses our rulers."
Now, I've never heard of Katherine Harris before today, but from what my lady-friend tells me, she had alot to do with some disenfrachisment in Florida back in 2000. She also voted 100% of the time in line with the Christian Coalition.
Is the separation of church and state a lie? Regardless, is the religious affiliation of our founding fathers, either individually or as a whole (i.e. mostly Christian, mostly Deist, mostly atheistic), relevant in determining the validity of the constitutitionality of the separation of church and state? How so and why or why not?